Hi Team! Here is my idea for Agenda #1:
Agenda #1 - Roles for DiscoveRing:
Define (general) Depth Roles for:
1. Education
2. Community / Activist
3. Therapy
... then Define Depth Roles for:
4. DiscoveRing Group
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I am sorry to not added to the conversation before our call in 8 min; however, I did read each of your replies and thank you wach very much for your thoughts, musings, links.
Hubby is coming home tomorrow and I should have more time to reflect and be engaged here in the future....D
Here is a wonderful piece from Hillman on Soul and Money
http://www.tamboo.co.za/%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%B2%CE%BB%CE%B9%CE%B1/articl...
Thank you, Adele, Hillman presents an interesting view of money and soul, though I would say that if Soul needs a container to express in the world, perhaps relationship and connectedness is a main portal. I like how Hillman relates money and the animal - Jung also talks very pointedly about 'living our animal' in the Red Book.
Can we as depth psychologists open the collective field to relatedness to Earth, as through such practices as permaculture or other similar embodied, activist venues and be paid for it? Perhaps the need for money to live within our world is our conduit toward some kind of related-ness and generation of Eros?
An email arrived just as I finished readling Hillman's essay on Soul and Money.
It is entitled: Abundance, Relationship with Money, Empowerment, Meditation, Sacred Economics, Conscious Business". We are being barraged by so many ways of talking about all of this, is it loosing credibility?
I know that there are many such seminars out there, and this guy's name is funny on a surface and depth level:
Dr. Dream “The Dynamics Between Abundance, Money & a Spiritual Life"
Dr. DREAM is well versed in working with all the energies surrounding abundance and money. Explore going through the learning curve of how to balance path and mission, with the current matrix of the financial system. How does “leap of faith” and “inspired action” fit into the equation? Dr. DREAM takes you on the Journey of his applied experience in this arena. In Dr. DREAM’s trademark style of real and powerful sharing, from his own life, you will feel a shift within your Being.
http://www.portaltoascension.org/index.php/upcoming-events/abundanc...
Julie
I have been exploring the idea Art/Poetry as a Depth Role. Not because I thought of it, but because I have been repeatedly guided to this area as important to DP and the soul. There is a Hillman quote, which I don't know exactly, but went something like, the soul needs beauty, beauty is the food of the soul... If we are tending the soul (Pacifica's motto), soul-tenders, then we may need to consider the role of beauty, art, poetry, as the language of the soul, as they pertain to DP in the world.
Pamela,
I feel that art/poetry/creative endeavors are of the deep, help create the deep and are a way to access the deep waters. I do get hung up on the body-soul-mind triad but do not know exactly how to express what I am thinking. I feel we are one unified being where there is no distinction between parts. I also see humans as individual beings but not individual beings as we are interconnected to the whole of the seen and unseen world(s). For me this arises from a co-mingling of the Buddhist dependent co-arising view and the N. American Pan Indian unity view of the whole within my being.
So, I agree with you that we need to pay more attention to the tending of the soul aspect of our being and moving toward recognizing different aspects of beauty, even if it arises out of the mud. (Which I am presently surrounded by in a real sense.) I would also suggest that art/poetry-soul tending cannot be put into a category. I see that we, in the Euro-American dominant culture in the US tend to compartmentalize our life, our world, and soul tending transcends compartments and helps dissolve the false barriers we have erected.
Again, thank you for bringing this important aspect into our discussion.
Hi Pamela - Does Art / Poetry fall under the Therapy role? - WOX
I think it can be therapeutic,but if we perceive it as nourishment of the soul, it seems like it would be crucial to the soul itself. A role on it's own but also a critical part of all work with soul, since poetry is its language and beauty is its food. What is it the soul really requires? If we are doing soul work? What is the soul asking for? What does the soul want?
Money is important in this world we have right now and I am not a fan of spending my precious resources making it. I want to do what I love and change myself and the world. I yearn for small, close knit communities where people interact and care for each other in deep ways. In Kansas the family farms and small town have dried up as people fled to the cities in search of money and a myth of moving on up, either to the McMansion in suburbia or the penthouse in the sky.
I do believe in an exchange of energies for work. A friend who is 77 was telling me about her dad who was a doctor on Long Island and his patients paid what they could, it might be money, a chicken, a bag of potatoes. What is it we need in our lives that we want to collect and possess? Is money what one wants to collect and possess or does money do the possessing? I think it is important to have a clear relationship to money or whatever means in which one wants to be compensated with as any can possess oneself.
For me, Depth Psychology is activism by its very nature. I feel, quite strongly, that in the move to gain acceptance by the medical and scientific communities, which will not happen like any outsider-insider relationship, Depth has lost its soul and in losing soul has devalued the activism that is its nature. Activism, for one who is an activist, is what they do. The means may be consulting, it may be as a therapist, or whatever. Activism comes out of ones pores and permeates the air around them. And for those of us in the dominant culture, to be an activist means working to keep it front and center. I find it hard to not step away and chill but that is a privilege I have as a white American male and I don't have to worry about the consequences for myself or my community when I just step away.
So, in the long haul, I want to know how to make income from doing depth, doing what is my passion. And, I want just enough to take care of myself and my family. How might I and others teach 'enoughness'? And get away from the neurotic hoarding of resources?
And, enough of me.
Jesse
This is a wonderful way to look at money. I am so glad to see this and for your comments, which make me want to explore this topic more.
How do we bring soul and money together?
There are many people who do soul work who went through periods of financial deficiency like the group who created Findhorn in Scotland, and Neal Donald Walsh, the woman who created Harry Potter. I wonder what comes out of this issue with money? How are we growing through it that we couldn't grow in another way? What are we being shown? The man at Findhorn couldn't find work and was guided to create a garden and the rest, as they say, is history...
Willi,
Thank you for these items. I look forward to the dance between you and I as I perceive you as focussed on task and I perceive myself as focussed on process. I find a balance between the two to be highly beneficial for group work and I need a person like you to have a focus on task and outcomes. And, there will be time when I will push back if it feels like process is being shortchanged and I hope you will feel the same about pushing back when process is too consuming.
I am trained in traditional counseling, spiritual counseling (as a Interfaith Chaplain), Buddhist psychology and counseling (I used to teach in a Contemplative Psychology program training Buddhist therapists), and I have a M.A. in Depth Psychology and am in the dissertation phases of a Ph.D in Depth Psychology: Community Psychology, Liberation Psychology, and Ecopsychology. The work I have done and see myself doing is as a teacher. Maybe in university but most likely out in the world as I combine depth with spirituality rooted in Pagan, Shamanic, and Buddhist cosmologies. I create and lead community rituals as I want to bring this element back into society.
I would also say that because of my nature and the training I received in the Mdiv and the Ph.D is to become creative, critical thinkers in order to change oneself and to change the world. I personally am very involved in social justice work and trying to create openings in the monolith of the dominant culture. I am not a 'in the streets type of activist' though I have and can fill that role. My activism is through online communities, writing, and teaching. I have trained extensively with Joanna Macy and utilize many of her strategies for community activism.
So people are creating all sorts of opportunities in depth and I think what you suggest, even though it might take a while, will be exciting and encouraging to see what people are doing with a depth degree and it may not, on the surface look like depth work.
So, thank you for starting this thread and I look forward to hearing others in the group comment.
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