We are into the Transition Era where new alchemiespermaculture and Nature are morphing both values and landscapes.

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  • Christian – it might be wise to collaborate and agree on some definitions as we address your excellent thesis. I have started this over-due process below:

     

    1. Symbol: Some potential sacred permaculture symbols include –

     

    - Diversity (Soil)
    - Growth (Seeds)
    - Harvest (Basket)
    - Transformation (Fire + Smoke)
    - Stewardship (Compost Pile)
    - Localization (Community Well)

     

    2. Archetype:

     

    3. World View:

     

    4. Natural: Not man-made or found only in Nature

     

    5. Crucial and universal concerns: including climate change, war, corp. control of seeds, lack of clean water, environmental justice

     

    6. (hierarchy of) The System:

     

    7. New Myth (in or outside of the unconscious): New Global Mythology (NGM) uses most of the functionality in the definition of  myth but adds several important updates from the classic definitions of myth in that classic Norse, Greek and Roman are seen as ineffectual in this over-mediated, unsacred, and Nature-at-risk age. NGM also facilitates the creation of new myths by both individuals and groups with documented schemes. New Mythology, whether in the form of new poems, stories, or songs, requires a new spiritual search engine to go with the Internet.

  • "Are you pointing us towards archetypes?" ~ Willi Paul

    Unconsciously, perhaps?

    I have no doubt that a change, a serious change, is necessary. I see this change in the realm of world view; for others the change may be economic, legal, environmental, religious, philosophical, etc.

    World view is the manner in which individuals think about themselves, their relationship to other living beings, to the environment, to the cosmos, to "god." It is our world view that guides and directs us through our lives, it is our mental template of how to go about being and doing. The sources and origins of what creates our world view is the interaction between our Self and all else. In living our lives we encounter certain fundamental existential issues, which ". . . are those crucial and universal concerns all of us face simply because we are human"  (Walsh, p. 218,  1999).  This would also seem to be the same concerns addressed by mythology, a subsystem of world view . Are those "crucial and universal concerns" the archetypes? If so, then it is archetypes that I am pointing to.

    But changing myths may not accomplish the significant change from the current earth ecosystem path of self-destruction, it may be necessary to move up in the heirarchy of the system and alter the world view. Perhaps though, myth is the path to that alteration? 

    Could we identify what the "crucial and universal concerns" are that we would like/want/need to assign symbols and stories to in developing a new mythology on our road to a new world view.

    For example, surely we are feeling a disconnect from the "natural" and it is a one of the "crucial and universal concerns." How to archetype this? and then to symbolize it? Also, immediately as a result of the malaise of disconnect, we must consider that the connection to the "natural" is equally one of "crucial and universal concerns." Can we develop a (one) new myth that brings this duality into unity by addressing both concerns? Or, perhaps, that myth already exists, we just haven't identified it. Perhaps, that myth is already in our unconscious, and is just waiting to express itself?    

     

  • Christian: "...that which arises out of our unconscious is what brings about mythical structure/elements, and I really don't see how that process can be avoided, or perhaps sidestepped is a better view." Let us then investigate the unconscious and these mythical structure/elements! Are you pointing us towards archetypes?

     

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  • Willi, what you are saying is appealing and I actually see an organic process here. It is the interaction of people working through the medium of writing and communicating that whatever myths are under construction will result in an evolution, and, not surprisingly, at the typical speed of what happens on the Internet. So perhaps, it can be by writing that a myth is created/evolves. I would, still, however, want to think that which arises out of our unconscious is what brings about mythical structure/elements, and I really don't see how that process can be avoided, or perhaps sidestepped is a better view. We do need to keep in mind that there may be a necessity of "time to share and evolve mythics stories." The lack of such time and evolution for our current survival does not negate it's necessity, if there is such necessity.

  • I think that the internet and digital storytelling has changed that organic equation, Christian. Now, "somebody" has released 23 new myths in the space of ~ 365 days and the world to many is in deep peril. Do you really believe that we have enough time to share and evolve the mythic stories necessary to our survival? A huge paradox in this time-collapsed, digital generation? ;-)

  • "Here's my problem with this whole thing of "creating" a new myth. Do we, flawed human beings that we are, create the myth or does it grow organically from life or some such entity?" ~ Robert Quinn

    Did something besides human beings write the classic myths? ~ Willi Paul

    I believe that myth needs to grow organically, but that does not mean that humans (which are "organic" and definitely natural) did not create the myth. It is highly likely that myths organically arose from our (human) unconscious, but what is the process of that arising?

    I would look to the area of myth-telling, not myth-writing; I would look to oral history as the origin of the myth, which long after the myth had been told, it was written down. It is the move from the unconscious to telling the myth to writing it that we have an organic process.

    One of the great advantages of the oral history process as engaged in by "traditional" "autochthonous" cultures is that the myth can evolve as the context evolves. Hence, as a  myth is told over the generations/centuries it can grow and adapt to people's understanding of the nature of reality, the environment, their society and culture, their psychology. It is an unconscious process as the myth slowly changes and evolves, unknowingly over the many many years that it is told. It is very easy to have in this process the belief that the myth is unchanged, that the myth has always been presented this way since time immemorial. After all, who has been around long enough to dispute the claim?

    Then, one day, but only after writing had been developed, the myth was written down.

  • Hi Robert - Did something besides human beings write the classic myths? If so, I'd love to hear your take on this key issue. In my workshop, we create & discuss elements for new myths. I ask all who attend to retreat and vision and finalize their myth. This is a very nascent process, indeed. 

    As to your concern on the New Global Mythology Group and our relative staying power, well,... time will tell. I would relay that I continue to blog in support at occupyoakland.org and hope to do a work shop for them in August. They are one of the few rich and fuzzy resources for future myths.

  • Here's my problem with this whole thing of "creating" a new myth. Do we, flawed human beings that we are, create the myth or does it grow organically from life or some such entity?

     

    It's much like the reason why Occupy did not work in my opinion. It wasn't natural. You could see where this was added to placate one group and that for another. It's goals were good but it didn't work as a natural unit. And taking time off for the winter holidays was truly the death knell of a group that had no idea what to do next.

  • I believe that we have new archetypes / symbols to use, something I relayed to Bonnie in our video interview last year. Here are some of the new archetypes from my recent trek into sounds & new mythology:

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    Question: Can archetypes be sonic and graphic symbols?

     

  • "Tell us more about: a [a] "new guiding myth, presented as a single statement" and [b]"Translated into real life?"  [c]"Or how Krippner identifies the parts of the old myth that are viable?"" ~ Willi Paul

     

    a) Let's take the Julia Butterfly myth, how might we say that in one statement?

    b) Translating into real life: here I see two things, one is actually having it change our lives in the sense that we do something different now such as more respectful of trees, planting trees, using less paper, having a reverence for wooden objects. The other that I see is to create a ritual: Perhaps every Arbor Day is when one plants a tree; or perhaps on a regular basis one goes to a high point to look at, feel, and experience the environment as a great expanse of landscape .

    c) I don't have any ideas how to go about this, but it really appealed to me. The old myth archetypes really don't go away despite the changing world. Perhaps what we need to do is identify in old myths the archetypes that still resonate; then identify archetypal energies that we would like to have new resonations about, then engage in coniunctio and bring together two opposites for maximum effect.

     

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