Norland Tellez replied to Bonnie Bright's discussion Contra Naturam in Dream Patterning
"Exactly Alison! I think your "random" thoughts nail the problem on the head of the thought of contra naturam, namely, it seems to be the very nature of the human soul which is "awakened" by the alchemistic process of individuation, and thus, shaken…"
Feb 12, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Bonnie Bright's discussion Contra Naturam in Dream Patterning
"“The full sense of humanness is a task, an opus, and, we must add, an opus contra naturam. The fully realized human existence is the sublated existence of natural homo sapiens.” ~ Wolfgang Giegerich (THE NEUROSIS OF PSYCHOLOGY 179)"
Feb 12, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Bonnie Bright's discussion Contra Naturam in Dream Patterning
"Unfortunately, I was teaching during the seminar and so missed it. Wondered  if there was another way to catch it online? I do have a comment, however, about the example given above, where "contra naturam" is taken to be a symptom of what is "wrong"…"
Feb 12, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Thom F. Cavalli, Ph.D.'s discussion Why not Jung?
"Thanks for re-echoing the words that I had quoted with the Giegerich fragments, as this indeed hits the head on the nail of Jungian depth psychology: the reality of the psyche.
But your question now is "Why NOT Jung?" And unless you meant this as a…"
Feb 6, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Although Giegerich dismantles this "myth of meaning" as itself obsolte psychologically, we should not forget that on the otherside Giegerich believes in the capital Notion of Truth. He even takes to task both Hillman and Campbell for attributing to…"
Feb 3, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Siona van Dijk's discussion Why Jung?
"Why Jung? Giegerich continues (with my brackets on Heidegger]:
“b) The thinker
The fact that jung had a real notion of soul, i.e., that the Notion of soul had come alive for him and taken hold of him, authenticates his work as a psychologist. As is…"
Feb 3, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Thank you for this. It pleases immensely that more Jungians are becoming interested in his work, that its importance is not being missed or dodged, mainly because it is a definite threat to JungianISM, a threat to "believers" of Jungian ideology.…"
Feb 3, 2011
cathy gnatek replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Norland
 
A group of us in Minnesota have been closely studying Giegerich's work for 3-4 years now.  It is my understanding that an International organization to study his work (there will be a website that publishes articles, perhaps conferences…"
Feb 3, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"I will post here large sections from that book, as I have already started to do in the WHY JUNG forum. Got mine for $50 at the PGI Bookstore. What can I say? It's worth it!"
Feb 2, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"As I explained in my earlier post, no. What Giegerich announces to the chagrin of card-carrying Jungians is the End of Jungian IDEOLOGY, this un-Jungian BELIEF in a system of ideas that has foreclosed--sometimes by absorbing-- any other interpretive…"
Feb 2, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Siona van Dijk's discussion Why Jung?
"So Giegerich continues on this topic showing that we mean by "Jungian" can mean adherence to his subjective beliefs as a Swiss nationalist, etc.., vs commitment to his theory of the human soul as an authentic field of knowledge (gnosis):
“One can…"
Feb 2, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Point granted, Paul. One can be a "Classical Jungian" precisely AS the courage to be oneself. In this sense, then, Giegerich and Hillman are both classical Jungians in their own right. But the fact that they are not perceived as such but as…"
Feb 2, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Giegerich does not reject the unconscious, but he is trying to make the darkness conscious, instead of worshiping it as absolutely unconscious. It is true, however, that like Hillman he has rejected the word "unconscious" for speaking about the…"
Feb 2, 2011
Paul Budding replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"I have a view about the "Thank God I'm Jung and not a Jungian" quote. I think that it is possible to be a classical Jungian (not that I view myself that way) without selling oneself out. I also think it is possible to just imitate Jung and be…"
Feb 2, 2011
Norland Tellez replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Seems there seems to be a desire to know more, I would make this discussion an introduction to Giegerich's work and dialectical mode of thought. It is in fact this dialectical feature of all his thinking which prevents any easy, stereotyped…"
Feb 2, 2011
Paul Budding replied to Norland Tellez's discussion Why Giegerich?
"Norland,
Do you consider Giegerich as having worked right the way through and out of Jungian psychology? I think that Jungian theory is wide enough to assimilate quite alot... BUT... if the idea of the UNCONSCIOUS is rejected then I think that the…"
Feb 2, 2011
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  • Would you like to contribute an article on whether Erich Neumann successfully systematized Jung's work in The Origins and History of Consciousness... and whether irrespective of suceeding/failing to do so... he was saying anything correct/of value anyway.

    So far John Foster (who studies Jung/Nietzsche and has been published in the IAJS Journal), Bonnie Bright, Colleen Henderick have agreed to contribute. Others know about the project and wish it well/look forward to reading the publication, e.g. Paul Bishop. And I am in the process of gaining permission to quote extracts from Stuart Woolley who wrote a scholarly/lengthy thesis on the subject.

    If you are interested then there is flexibility on wordlenghth. 500 is fine but if you wanted to say more then feel free to make it over a thousand.

    Although this is my idea I would be happy for the document to be uploaded onto others websites... so long as it was referenced to my own. The document will be free to read and distributed to interested parties. 

    Paul.  

     

     

  • Hi Norland. So glad to have in you the Alliance--and I'm always happy to find those of us in the field of Depth Psych/Psych who are also embracing social media. My theory is that there is soul there--and if we pay attention, the two can come together in a very powerful way--just as in this community. Hope you find much here to feed your soul. I look forward to hearing more about your thoughts and your work.
  • Welcome Norland,

    There are many Pacifica-ites as members of DPA. What was your dissertation focus? Have you been able to pursue that line after the PhD? There are many groups, blogs, and forums that i hope will invite your posts.

    Ed

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