Mary S Newton replied to Darlene Viggiano's discussion Welcome to Dream On! in ARCHIVED-Special Online Study Group, May 2012: Dreams and Dream-like Experiences in Spiritual Emergence Processes
"Darlene - I love all your suggestions.  You have an unusually good grasp of the isolation endured by many people undergoing altered states of consciousness -- unlike some professionals who would have us think appropriate help is available from the…"
May 13, 2012
Mary S Newton replied to Darlene Viggiano's discussion Welcome to Dream On! in ARCHIVED-Special Online Study Group, May 2012: Dreams and Dream-like Experiences in Spiritual Emergence Processes
"Darlene - thanks for your comment on the Grofs.  Yes, they certainly would have been help to me back when I was wondering whether I was having a spiritual or psychotic experience.  The fear and confusion I felt then has left me with a longlasting…"
May 10, 2012
Mary S Newton replied to Darlene Viggiano's discussion Welcome to Dream On! in ARCHIVED-Special Online Study Group, May 2012: Dreams and Dream-like Experiences in Spiritual Emergence Processes
"Darlene - Whoops, sorry I sent the wrong URL for my SE description!  Not sure what happened, but here's the right one:
http://tinyurl.com/nc88zf"
May 2, 2012
Mary S Newton replied to Darlene Viggiano's discussion Welcome to Dream On! in ARCHIVED-Special Online Study Group, May 2012: Dreams and Dream-like Experiences in Spiritual Emergence Processes
"Actually I paid very careful attention to my dreams for a couple of years following spiritual emergence, but they were extremely important to me at the beginning as indicators of whether I was handling the experience properly -- since I had no…"
May 2, 2012
Mary S Newton replied to Darlene Viggiano's discussion Welcome to Dream On! in ARCHIVED-Special Online Study Group, May 2012: Dreams and Dream-like Experiences in Spiritual Emergence Processes
"Hi Darlene,

Many thanks for what you're offering to do for us!  I'm a retired psychologist now interested in devoting more time to myself.  Many years ago I relied on my dreams extensively during a rather frightening spiritual emergence and am…"
May 1, 2012
Mary S Newton left a comment for Ed Koffenberger
"Ed,
Thanks for your comments on my experience of spiritual emergence/y.  I like your comment that neither psychiatry-speak nor fundi-speak can adequately reflect such experiences.  In your opinion, what "speak" should you and other professionals use…"
Jun 18, 2011
Mary S Newton left a comment for Ed Koffenberger
"Ed - Thanks for the welcome!  Yes, I have a perfectly conventional PhD in psychology from the U of South Carolina (which I too have learned not to abbreviate).  Following that I specialized mostly in addiction treatment and retired a few years ago. …"
Jun 16, 2011

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  • Hi Mary. My apologies for my belated welcome to the online Depth community. I'm glad you've found the Alliance. I hope you'll jump in and engage as well by joining a discussion, commenting on others' posts, sharing links or articles that are meaningful to you, or posting some of your own work if you haven't already.

    I'm sure you'll make some wonderful connections here in the community and find lots to read and ponder. I'll send you some tips on navigating the site in a separate email. Enjoy the site! ~Bonnie Bright, Founder

  • Mary - Just finished reading your experience. Indeed, I also agree that having experiences such as yours are horrifying especially if the only language available to express the phenomenon is either psychiatry-speak or fundi-speak (=evil). Your story highlights how important the environment and language either pathologize or aid in the development of a numinous, individualizing experience. I worked as a chaplain in two psychiatric hospitals and, at times, found myself wanting to question the quick pathologizing of a patient's experience having had some personal experience with visions along with readings of the Christian mystics in my tool box.

    My book project is entitled Psyche in 3D: Drama, Dreams, Delirium (that is, when I can get to it after completing my dissertation - a redefining of soul - but that's for another emailing. :)  )

    My experience was that even psychiatric hospital chaplains have no clear way to address the numinous experiences of a patient. I don't remember anything saying you have to have a certain IQ or emotional balance to have a numinous experience. One story was when I was called into the room of a man (diagnosed schizophrenic) who stated that angels had visited his room during the night. Instead of moving on I asked him to tell me his story. He stated that the angels came to him, they were beautiful and smiling, and they told him it would all be okay. The next morning he woke up with a great sense of calm and had started his day most peacefully. The reason I was called in was because the attending nurse did experience quite a change in him but was not prepared to talk religio-speak, in fact, she was concerned that he was going to explode in a dramatic way after being so calm, plus he was refusing medications while feeling so at peace. Frankly, I chalked it up as a numinous experience and thanked the powers that be that he had such a peaceful reaction to the experience (divine and grace-filled, if you will).

  • Welcome Mary,

    I'm curious as to your PhD from South Carolina. I had to use the whole name because, to many in the Alliance, if I had said USC they would have thought Southern California!! What was the area of psychology you researched? I would also like to point you toward the Jung in the South group as we are trying to meet at a workshop in October. Great to have you join us. I think you will find much of interest in our many blogs, forums, and groups.

    Ed

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